last year at the cow palace i spoke with a woman with a sign pacing the entire walk way..no one bothered her other than alot of sneers. her sign read 'my daughter wont let me see my grandchildren"..i got the nerve to ask her why she did what she being that i already had my doubts...she stated that her daughter was baptised just two years before and told since she celebrated christmas it was not permitted for her to influence the children...the old woman cried in front of me and it really disturbed me..she said she was taking care of the kids since birth and the kids 11 and 9 was calling her secretly....the reason i believed her is that i know many who are still associated with org but the kids have to sneak out to see the unbelieving family ...even myself my mom side of the family still invites me to gather with them even though they knew i was attending...i finally set aside the built in prejudices taught to me by the org and now spend all holidays with them..i wasted so much time they are good people...
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JWs forced to accomidate Apostates at SF DC
by ezekiel3 ini just got word that protesters have been allowed on the "cow palace" convention center property (near san francisco) with a valid permit.
see the link below for a the happy jw news release on this convention.
http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/stories/0,1413,87~11268~2309259,00.html
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Progression of changes with DF/DA Doctine
by Bubbamar ini am curious about the history of disfellowshipping and disassociation doctrines.
i know that they changed the da rules when ray and co were leaving so that no one could talk to people who disassociated themselves -- to close the loophole.
i am wondering if that's also when the df rules also became more harshly and strictly enforced.
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the mole
just to add to this...i was disassociated when i was 14 for smoking weed at the parking lot during our cowpalace convention with some other kids who went to my hall...this was 1977..all of us had our name annouced in the hall..the brothers told my parents since i was not baptised this was the only form of punishment to keep our hall clean...it meant me and my friends couldnt go to the picnic or get invited to some get together....as far as me and my friends, we were never invited to anything anyways so it didnt mean much..my dad was already df'd for questioning their 1975 date of the new kingdom..they said he had lack of faith and df'd him...my mom was df'd after 1984..the scandal of bethel trickled to sacramento..my moms friends questioned the org and so began the apostasy years which effected many of our friends...the mole
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my dad cried
by the mole inthis last sunday a family party happened.
i knew i was not invited but since my dad recently stopped going to meetings he was not invited.
i submitted this same issue to silent lambs that this is another form of abuse.
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the mole
this last sunday a family party happened. i knew i was not invited but since my dad recently stopped going to meetings he was not invited. i submitted this same issue to silent lambs that this is another form of abuse. my dad is so hurt but he stood his ground. he has found so many errors and asked so many questions. i asked him why so long? he said that he believe jehovah would fix it but now that he has retired and had his surgery that those brothers who told him to sell his house and quit his job are beggers or dropped out...i wish there was a way that all of you can help him or something to ease his pain but like all of you i too feel the pain of shunning...the mole
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single in the city
by the mole inafter reading all the post here today.
i found it interesting how we hang on to the old thinking what got us in trouble in the first place..even myself i cannot shrug off some the junk that was implanted in my mind.. i have been out of the org now for almost three years and yet i find myself thinking they way society has taught me.. i have trying to date now it has been very difficult process..i find that im reluctant to new thoughts from some of the girls who i have taken out..i tried the relationship thing for almost a year and she gave up on me...im 38 with a 16 and 13 year old kids and dating is hard enough but the mind garbage is really hard to shake...so to say that i want remain faithful to the truth?
that is a stumbling block to my freedom...and to say i need to have a double life is but another lie to myself and to my kids..therapy my be needed but a specialist for xjw's would need someone with magical powers to suck my brain out and clean it with windex.....
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after reading all the post here today. i found it interesting how we hang on to the old thinking what got us in trouble in the first place..even myself i cannot shrug off some the junk that was implanted in my mind.. i have been out of the org now for almost three years and yet i find myself thinking they way society has taught me.. i have trying to date now it has been very difficult process..i find that im reluctant to new thoughts from some of the girls who i have taken out..i tried the relationship thing for almost a year and she gave up on me...im 38 with a 16 and 13 year old kids and dating is hard enough but the mind garbage is really hard to shake...so to say that i want remain faithful to the Truth? that is a stumbling block to my freedom...and to say i need to have a double life is but another lie to myself and to my kids..therapy my be needed but a specialist for xjw's would need someone with magical powers to suck my brain out and clean it with windex.....
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Should you change yourself for the person you are with?
by Sirius Dogma injust something i was thinking about and wanted to get a few opinions on.
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im forth generation born into this mess...i want to change but dont know how...im glad you liked the cats thing..its true
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they just left..haaha
by the mole inim on this site reading and putting my comments in when a knock on the door just now..speak of the devil!
two brothers at the door right now.....ok im back...i opened the door in my boxers and let them see my new tattoo on my stomach..i hoped they liked my shorts..they are spiderman boxers...i just told them im busy preaching the word of god on a jw forum...they looked at me very strange and walked away just now...lol..hahahhahahahahaa
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im on this site reading and putting my comments in when a knock on the door just now..speak of the devil! two brothers at the door RIGHT NOW.....ok im back...i opened the door in my boxers and let them see my new tattoo on my stomach..i hoped they liked my shorts..they are spiderman boxers...i just told them im busy preaching the word of god on a jw forum...they looked at me very strange and walked away just now...lol..hahahhahahahahaa
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ON A PERSONAL NOTE
by tresbella indoes anyone think it is wrong to still be a 'wittness' on the outside in order to ensure their family's love and support even though they know inside their living the "double life" i mean i want my family at my wedding and help me buy my first apartment.
i think certain familllies cannot bear the idea of one of their own "falling from the truth" (so it goes) so its a secret i hide.
but my long time boyfriend says i should tell my family how i really feel when we become engaged (he's not a wittness) in the future.
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the mole
since your a female it will go easy on you...there was alot of sisters marrying outside the hall...as a former m.s when we did sheparding calls most of the sisters were put on reproval then after six months they got there so called privilages back..as for us single brothers they came down hard on us...im alone with two young teenagers and they made impossible for me to date a sister or woman outside the org...they really mess with your head if your looking outside the org for a relationship..my last girlfriend thought i was totally weird because i didnt know how to celebrate christmas..so it goes both ways..most guys who marry witness sister are more able to adapt.....i guess thats why im still single..maybe i will end up with 5 cats at the end....
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Meetings on sunday... do you know why?
by ChileanRick indo you know why the wt congregations must have their weekend meetings preferably on sunday?
there's a letter from the branch office in chile dated on 01-march-2002, page 3, point n 7 where we can find the reasons they have to prefer sunday for the meetings and not saturday, of course all depends on the quantity of congregations sharing the same kh.
they say that as the co informs, when the congregation has the meeting on sunday there s better averages on the number of people at the kh and the time spended on the field service grow up.
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the mole
here in sacramento they have meetings on friday nights as well as the weekends..depends on the hall..i was told the growth is the reason but underneath its to save money for the corporation...
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ELDER MEETING NIGHTMARES!!!!!
by tresbella inahhh!
those dreaded elders meetings!
was it something as serious as someone heard from bro.
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the mole
i knew i was leaving after much debate with the elders in my hall but they kept me on the list for a #5 talk..instead of using the card i created my own topic and lectured the elders in my hall...during the break for the second meeting they pulled me in the back room..i told them not to bother me anymore and never went back since.....a time before that the elders pulled me in the backroom to discuss what i done with a sister at the drive in...so stupid..i told them all we did is let the kids see a rated G movie..but they kept on about dating and not being escorted..i told them my children are over ten years old..i totally went off on those idiots and knew it was time to give up my m.s position and leave..
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...not so much as eat with such a person...
by Tashawaa inmatthew 5:
anyone who is angry with his brother without having a good reason will be judged in court.
anyone who says wrong things to his brother will be judged for it in the big court.
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the mole
i had a simular issue...my cousin was df'd but he was to lay carpet for me..we were discussing the color at a local place to eat when a group walked in and seen us..they made a big deal of it and with my education and blasted back with scripture...this was one of the issues to make my leave the org...the other is when they found out i dated a worldy woman...i told them there is no woman in our circut worth dating unless i take out the one with 5 cats..they really got mad